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Jakie są zalety drutu skręconego w porównaniu z drutem litym?

Czego powinienem używać do prototypowania obwodów?


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Kevin Vermeer

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Solid wire (24 gauge) is good for use as jumpers in solderless breadboards. Trying to push in stranded wire is frustrating. Solid wire holds its shape, so you can route wires along a path and they'll stay there.

Use stranded wire for everything else. It is flexible so it's good for cables going between a circuit board and knobs/switches on an enclosure, connecting cables between circuit boards, or any time you might have physical flexing in a wire. 24 gauge is a good all-around size for stranded too.


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Advantages

Stranded-More Flexible,

Non-Stranded-Easy to solder, will fit into breadboard. Trying to insert stranded into a breadboard is like trying to push string!

I prefer non stranded, in fact I have a good tip here for a cheap source.

Buy Solid Core Cat 5 or 6 Network cable, a couple of meters goes a long way...

Strip it out and you get 8 differently coloured/marked sets of good quality cable in 4 twisted pairs. Very cheap compared to buying hookup cable in small quantities, and generally better quality!


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I think "Trying to insert non-stranded into a breadboard is like trying to push string!" should actually say stranded.
Amos

I am not sure what you mean, stranded is by far easier to solder in projects. There are certain situations where non-stranded is easier, but stranded gets better contact and better joints.
Kortuk

The full paragraph says: "Non-Stranded-Easy to solder, will fit into breadboard. Trying to insert non-stranded into a breadboard is like trying to push string!" This is contradictory, either non-stranded is easy to fit into a breadboard or it's like pushing string. From experience I would say that stranded is more like pushing string than not, hence my comment.
Amos

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the wire in cat-5 cables is very small (maybe 22-24 gauge?). This is great if you are soldering, but if you stick it in a breadboard it pops out very easily.
jkopel

Corrected non-stranded comment, late night posting is never a reat idea! I personally have found stranded cable more difficult to solder. In terms of it popping out of breadboard, Again not in my experiance.
Justblair

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As todbot says, if you are prototyping on a breadboard then solid core is easier. Except that when you are making connections between the breadboard and something else (like a sensor, or an Arduino, or another breadboard) the wires tend to jump out of the breadboard. The solution is to use flexible stranded wire for those runs, and solder a single pin from a male header on each end to make jumpers. A short piece of shrink wrap will provide some strain relief and keep the pins from breaking off. You can also buy these jumper wires pre-made from adafruit or sparkfun, but they are easy to make.


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Adafruit and Sparkfun have some excellent cables with the pins already on the end. $7/100 is pretty darn cheap - I use them whenever I'm going between boards.
edebill

+1 for pin headers. Cables for them are also easy to come by if you have a source for junk PC's as they're full of them :)
XTL

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One thing I have not seen mentioned is that solid wire (when bent many many times) is more likely to break than stranded wire.


I agree, but we are talking a lot of bending... I can think of situations where this can be a problem, but not so much at a the prototyping stage
Justblair

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I had a broken wire in a digital circuit I did that drove me crazy. I took apart and rewired the whole thing three times and the problem kept moving.
Shawn J. Goff

I disagree wit this. At least at through-hole solder joints, stranded wire snaps very easily if it's bent back and forward a few times.
MattCochrane

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Most connectors are designed to be used for stranded wire. Crimp tools in particular are often precision-machined and are not guaranteed to work properly on solid-core wire.


Good point. While its not impossible to crimp onto solid core cable, even when extra care has been made to provide strain relief the termination can be fragile...
Justblair

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I think, it depends on the project 100%. For example, attempting to solder stranded on to a diode... you either pop the diode or get too mush soldier. When using diodes... I always use solid core... same with capacitors etc...

Stranded works when you can crimp onto large diodes like the old Germanium types. But the newer High Output Diode does not like to be crimped... it needs all the electrons it can get.

Stranded is for 'handling' or 'the monkey principle'. If you plan to lay the wire once and forget it in a place where very little vibration occures, then solid is the way to go, the variance will not change over time as the wire oxidizes. Stranded cable because of the tiny bits of air that surround the strands, will oxidize much faster and in maybe 3 years, it will be brown and lacking conductivity.

Same with 'tinning' on small component type circuits. You don't want to change the behavior of the electrons as they flows. There is a reason we moved away from Tin wire Heavily used up until say 1985 or so... it would become brittle and in a lot of cases degrade the copper so that you would get pitting between the tin and copper. But still today, professors and engineers who earned their degrees in prior to say 1990 or 1995 are taught that tinning has a positive effect. Like Marconi invented the Radio or Edison invented the Light bulb. They teach this as 'right'. There is a reason why Cu is far away from Sn. Germanium vs Silicon... I remember my micorprocessor professor swearing Germanium will out live Silicon as the semi-conductor of the future. That is where we are with Tinning wire. Stranded vs Solid core applications for wire. If it was better then modern engineers would insist on tinned stranded cable... but we know they prefer the purist copper cable they can find for their applications.

Stranded vs Solid Core wire arguments - Stranded wire good for only applications where heavy vibrations would crack a solid core wire (I have no idea what that would be, the wire would have to be strung pretty tight)

  • Lots of handling (monkey principle)
  • cheaper for industry to to install and forget, there is a huge market for replacement LED's for Marine equipment because of outdated engineering data REQUIRES stranded core wires... and engineers have to use the old Germanium LED's so they can meet this standard... (wave my magic wand: "ridiculous") Maybe this made sense when we had locomomitive engines driving boats... Have you been on a boat lately, they are built like Rolls Royces... same with cars... when was the last time you sat in a new car and you thought, man I hope it holds together long enough to drive it off the lot?

  • How much vibration is needed (even over a long time to break a 24AWG wire?)

  • Lots of bending back and forth... like installed on a moveable arm or some moveable device... but bending around lots of corners is not a good enough excuese.

[I remember a study about stranded vs Solid core about which one would heat up and break faster when bent at 45 degrees but, I forget what the out come was]

[CAT 5 has been in buildings since... 1994/5 (earlier?) and is now after 15 years starting be replaced on a massive scale by CAT 7 and fiber. If stranded was better, engineers would have switched to it long ago.]

Breadboard technology - CAT 5 comes in 22AWG to 24AWG - 24AWG holds firmly unless you have plugged house wire into the holes ;-P. Or larger than 24AWG - like 20AWG wire will fit in the breadboard and 'electronic' kits come with 20AWG and will stretch out a breadboard. Expiriment - get new board and plug different size wires into holes and see which ones stretch out the holes.

  • oh well, this MIT grad has worn himself out here... but I enjoyed reading peoples responses... and the 'war' continues over Stranded vs Solid core ... your biggest rival SAE and ABYC are very outdated... as is UL... and the IEEE and ISO. They were great when they were young, but good jobs create a need for job security and it is easier to go with 'what you know' even if that is not the 'best' way to go. In a way it makes sense.

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How does being an MIT graduate have anything to do with this? Was that a shameless plug in an attempt to get votes or was that bit of information somehow substantiated?
Anthony

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@Anthony How does commenting on an answer 5 1/2 years after the fact help that answer? You have to realize that at the time, this website was more social in nature, and this answer in particular shows a more conversational tone that the StackExchange network has decided is unwelcome. Leave it be as a legacy of that time.
Jason S

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@JasonS I didn't find that to be conversational at all nor does the time have anything to do with this. It was quite obviously a "believe me because I have credentials" kind of comment, which is what I was addressing. That type of logic wasn't more acceptable 5 years ago.
Anthony

'It was quite obviously a "believe me because I have credentials" kind of comment, which is what I was addressing.' I disagree with that interpretation as being the intent of the author, though I can see why you may have read it that way.
Jason S

The guy is just talking in a stream-of-consciousness mode like this is some kind of forum post where he's sharing his war stories. (lots of ellipses, use of ascii emoticons, etc.) Anyway he's no longer on the site.
Jason S

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If you tin stranded wire, it'll work well enough in a breadboard. I often do this as I build up components (like a remote sensor) and prototype/test each piece along the way.


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But why bother? For that kind of work, non-stranded wire is cheap and somtimes the additional stiffness adds to the ease of use...
Justblair

I was referring to the remote sensor as a finished product. Say I want to put a photodiode and op-amp on protoboard, but then plug that component into my breadboard as I build the bigger system. I'd use stranded wire connected "permanently" to the protoboard, and tin the other end for use with the breadboard.
blalor

Yes that would be a pretty sensible thing to do under the circumstances
Justblair

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When it comes to network installations (such as CAT5 in-wall) solid wire is the way to go, provided the wire is not intended to move, such as in a B&M business or a home. In the marine industry they use stranded wire for everything, as even at rest the boat moves and flexes.

Patch cables are made with stranded wire as its intended to move around.

Basically its much easier to breadboard with solid wire, but easier to prototype (solder) with stranded.


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It depends...if you are wiring up 100 connections, you really want to use stranded wire, since you can get it thinner and more flexible. If it's just a few connections, thicker non-stranded wire is easier to deal with.


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For breadboarding I use solid wire or stranded with pins attached to the ends. For wiring up a prototype board almost always stranded because it is easier to route and pretty easy to solder. In some circumstances where the wire needs to follow a particular path solid works better because it holds its shape. When soldering stranded wire it is often helpful to tin the end first then attach it to the component. Tinning exposed wire ends will also reduce oxidation. There's a good reason why tin coated wire is preferred in some applications.

Also if you're soldering heat sensitive components you can use a crocodile clip to act as a heat sink.


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Funkyguy

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For prototyping, solid is easier to push into breadboards, through PCB holes, etc.

For real-life it's a combination of all the issues in all the other answers, each type has advantages & drawbacks.

Solid is used extensively for telecomms, where it gets installed/laid once & left and either wire-wrapped, soldered, or punched into an IDC terminal.

Solid is also used for fixed mains wiring; the ring main in your house wall, inside conduit in factories / offices etc.

Stranded is used anywhere there is movement or vibration; Cars, aircraft, the mains flex to household appliances, etc. as solid wire of any significant size does not enjoy being flexed very much and will fracture/fatigue, usually at a joint or connector.

In real-life applications you do need to be aware of the suitability of termination/connection methods and the fact that different connectors and processes (EG soldering, wrapping) work differently with each type & are sometimes unsuitable. For example, IDC terminals are usually designed for a specific type of solid-core wire, and may fail with other sizes or with multi-strand. Conversely, crimp terminals may not grip a single-core wire or cable but will work excellently with multi-strand.

Likewise soldering, solder can wick up the strands of a multi-strand wire and make it behave like a solid-core (I.E it becomes inflexible & can snap).

Often this stuff doesn't matter too much for hobby use, but can catch you out when exposed to the big bad world.

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